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hello and welcome back to the disclosure

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team youtube channel it's good to be

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back i've been away on vacation for a

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week and uh

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we're back with another live interview

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discussion

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chat so without further ado guys i'm

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going to bring in two

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uh people who i really wanted to speak

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to for some time who i have a lot of

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time and respect for so guys please

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welcome

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erica lukes and scott brown

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hey guys nice to be here thanks very

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well

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no thank you for joining me um i know

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scott we've been trying to make this

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happen for some time and then

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erica you uh very gladly accepted the

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invitation to join as well and that is

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really appreciated so thank you both how

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are you are you good

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yeah well i think

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i need a vacation uh preferably in a

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padded room

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um i'm kidding it's been it's been an

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interesting

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and very tiring a couple of weeks and i

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scott feels the same so but we've done a

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lot of digging

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and you know we i think at the end of

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the day we we

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know that we put out good information

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and a lot of it

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and so hopefully people will start to

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look at that information

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critically instead of emotionally and

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then we can

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get some answers yeah no absolutely

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i mean for anybody that isn't aware um

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scott and erica have been

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covering this or travis walton case and

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the recent

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things that have emerged about it being

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a hoax etc etc

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we'll we'll discuss that in a little

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while so what i wanted to do first guys

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was just

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go um over your history and the subject

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what got you started what got you

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interested some of the work you've done

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so who would like to go first erica oh

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so mean um so i have always had a

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fascination

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with this subject um i remember being in

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grade school

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and taking a book off of the library

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shelf and it had a ufo on it it was dale

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white as something

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up there and from that moment kind of

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forward i was like what

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what is this subject about and so i

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studied you know the paranormal

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all sorts of things and throughout my

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life i've had some interesting

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experiences but i really

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became active in the ufo world in

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when i had some interesting sightings

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over the salt lake valley

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and that led me to mufon and i became

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the state director and then also worked

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under jen harzan for the communications

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and i eventually resigned

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because there were things taking place

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that i wasn't happy

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with and i also started to ask questions

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about the fact that the organization

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was after 50 years had not really

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accomplished anything other than

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muddying the waters and also collecting

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people's personal information and

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selling it to the highest bidder

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wow yeah that's quite shocking

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so who's me in a nutshell no that's

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great and so what

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do you mind talking about the sightings

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that you just mentioned that you had in

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over the salt lake

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yeah i was uh i had a beautiful uh place

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on the east side of salt lake and i

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you know every day i just i love clouds

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just looking at the sky and lightning

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storms and so i'm a

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photographer and an artist and things

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and so i would just go out there and one

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night i was sitting there with my friend

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and we noticed an amber orange sphere

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that was hovering

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above the mountains the ochre mountains

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we watched it for quite a long time got

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the binoculars out

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appeared like it was one single light

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which was not the typical thing that you

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and so being out there every night you

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navigation lights you get used to seeing

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specific things that you can identify

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and so the the larger object it appeared

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that there was a smaller object that

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kind of came down and then

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made a circle around it very quickly and

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and so we both just sat there um hey

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and so from that you know and i'm a

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curious

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person and so i became very familiar

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with i looked up every sighting in the

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i got the the uh navigation

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charts uh and i you know figured out

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what airspace was what

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we have a lot of restricted airspace

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here in utah because we have the nsa

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specific things behave

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and i was also at that point a little

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curious because we do have a lot of

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restricted airspace

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and i am when i was looking out that

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direction we are 80 miles away from

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dugway proving ground

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which is you know one of the world's

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testing places for biological and

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chemical weapons and so

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for me being a concerned citizen i want

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to know what is flying around in the

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airspace

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so that led me on a very interesting

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journey to say the least

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wow that's incredible that's really

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interesting and do you mind if we just

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briefly touch upon

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your appearances on you've done multiple

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sort of tv shows as well haven't you

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you know i have and that's been a lot of

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fun i was on ufos the last evidence

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and i did i've done two seasons with

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them and that

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has since morphed into uh other shows

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i'm still not quite i still don't know

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how many shows i'm on really

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um but it's like it's funny you'll turn

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on the show and it's like okay all right

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new name this is great um and then also

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nasa's unexplained files and uh

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you know strange evidence and things so

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doing that i like

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performance and and voice over work and

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so i'm very comfortable

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with it and it's a lot of fun excellent

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well it shows i've seen all of those

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absolutely amazing natural in all of

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mr scott brown now scott i could

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probably do two hours on

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on your history if not longer but um go

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for it give us a background give us a

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bit of history and tell us something

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well first i want to say that something

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that eric and i have both have in common

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is that we were

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both with mufon and we left

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because we weren't happy right so that's

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kind of something that we really you

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i hadn't really looked at anything and

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um i uh sometime later i picked up a

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book called

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out there by howard blum i read it

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and just i could not stop looking for

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information

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began to trigger memories from my

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i sent you the documentary that explains

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my you know my early years yeah

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i did a lot of you know

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studying in the library there was no

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internet so it was a lot of books

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and um you know i got sucked in by a lot

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you know the billy myers and georgia

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damskis and all these people that were

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you know doing all these hoaxes and

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began to study that and how to

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so i began to try to catch my own

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images of something i thought you know

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i'm going to catch my own images i don't

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want to look at books anymore i want to

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try to do it myself

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so i began to experiment with different

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the internet that were

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doing work with infrared cameras

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and trying to catch things and so i

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thought i'd like to have all these

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people in a group and just be able to

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talk to them and look at their footage

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and maybe we can compare notes

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so i formed in the field on facebook and

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began to pull people in there

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that's when i met erica um

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and um so that

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turned into diana pasoka coming into the

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i didn't know who she was um i let her

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in because she said her favorite

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uh researcher was jacques vallee so i

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thought oh you know that's cool with me

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you know i'm a big jacques valley guy

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so i let her in and one day somebody

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looked her up found out about her

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background so i was like oh cool you

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know she must be studying the parallels

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between religion

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and the phenomena which is you know

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out about out there about it now um

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messaged me and said i'm writing a book

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and i'd like to feed you in the book

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and i said okay fine so she

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flew out and met me um

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and uh the book was published

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and um you know i i did a few podcasts

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and uh i pretty much stayed on facebook

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uh 2019 i said you know what i'm gonna

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try this twitter thing

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and that that pretty much like opened up

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all new doors to meeting

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you know people like you vinnie and um

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so many people that i met and uh i had a

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bunch of my own sightings

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um you know i take the cameras out all

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the time we're going out tonight

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wow and we're gonna do on my brother's

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land

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he has an open field that's 360 degrees

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all the way around

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up on an incline and so we're going to

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set up the infrared cameras see what we

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can get out there tonight

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nice and so you know it then it evolved

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into this

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and i went on erica's show a couple of

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times we got to know each other

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and then we kind of both a little while

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back

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cooked up this idea to you know switch

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over from just

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audio to video and here we are

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i think it's fantastic i love you guys

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together i could watch you all day long

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it's it's awesome hey no problem yeah

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cool that's cool

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it is fun to see each other's you know

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to see each other's expression and

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and things and to watch people that

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you're interviewing

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to see their body language so i love it

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and i'm really glad that we

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made the decision to do it no it's

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fantastic i love it to bits and i know a

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lot of other people do too

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um and it's yeah it's just like you say

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just to see people and

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their passion and reactions and things i

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think it really um it helps with what

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they're saying especially in this

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subject you know

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which we're all very passionate about so

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yeah that's that's great so

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um let's talk about travis walton i mean

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this is everyone it's just all over the

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place at the moment and you guys are at

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the forefront of the

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the work speaking to the right people

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you know

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i don't think there's anyone out there

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other than travis himself who knows

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any more than what you guys know so i

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guess my first question would be

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when did this all these new revelations

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first appear

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and and where did they appear scott

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um i can't give you an exact date for

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when the phone call popped up uh

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and erica and i were talking about

342
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guests and i said well

343
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let's get mike rogers on

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you know and have him talk about this

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phone call

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that's supposedly been digitally altered

347
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to

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seem like that he didn't really say the

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things he said

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so when i made this post with mike on

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the show on twitter

352
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i get this two-page email from the guy

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who recorded the call

354
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right and he said um

355
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ryan gordon and he said um you know

356
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the phone call was not digitally

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manipulated and

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um you know i can prove it i have

359
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the phone call he recorded it on on

360
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apple watch

361
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all right there's no ports

362
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so he has the original phone call stored

363
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on his watch

364
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wow so i thought well this

365
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kind of just took a turn here for what i

366
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was

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manipulated i knew

368
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mike that had been picking at travis for

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years

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there's been bickering between them for

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a long long time

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and everybody knows that yes um he does

373
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it in public so everybody knows

374
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and so um

375
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we actually did not plan on ryan being

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on the show

377
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we got to the end of the two hours with

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mike

379
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ryan messaged me and said he would like

380
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to come on and defend himself

381
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right well i messaged erica at the end

382
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of the show

383
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and she offered mike would you like to

384
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would you like to have ryan come on and

385
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we can talk about this and

386
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you can hear it in the video he might

387
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didn't want to have anything to do with

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it

389
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and um so we said good night thank you

390
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and he got off the air and then we

391
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brought ryan in

392
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and then it turned into another two

393
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hours yes

394
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great great show but both aspects of it

395
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it's a shame

396
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that mike didn't stick around and and

397
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you know joining on that discussion we

398
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actually made the offer again

399
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last night and mike didn't want to do it

400
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um so that's a real shame

401
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but you never know never say never yeah

402
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that's true

403
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as we know things change moment to

404
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moment in this field

405
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so would would you mind just giving us a

406
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sort of brief overview of what

407
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what's going on what's been said and and

408
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just some ins and outs of what what

409
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occurred you know where was travis

410
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if he wasn't abducted and just sort of

411
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brief

412
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from from what you've been told and seen

413
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through evidence

414
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you know it was interesting uh talking

415
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to ryan and

416
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like i mentioned in my our very long

417
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interviews i mean he was

418
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right there and presenting any any

419
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:47,360
information it's like okay you you have

420
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:48,560
a question about me

421
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i'm not in the ufo world and i don't

422
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play with these

423
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:54,720
people but i you know and i'm taking my

424
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:56,160
job seriously

425
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:58,560
uh in in the film world and so he

426
00:16:02,389 --> 00:15:59,440
presented

427
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:02,399
you know things to me to validate that

428
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:03,519
what he was saying

429
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:06,480
about his relationship with travis and

430
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:07,040
mike

431
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:10,320
was accurate and so we i sat there with

432
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:12,079
him while he was doing a video

433
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:14,800
call and he was showing the the call

434
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:15,680
logs

435
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:18,480
you know from when he first spoke with

436
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:19,440
travis

437
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,720
different things that were taking place

438
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,560
a lot a lot more video than we've been

439
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:24,480
able to put out publicly

440
00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:27,680
and then also um

441
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:30,399
different things he has a legal contract

442
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:31,040
uh

443
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:34,240
as does travis and so there are things

444
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:34,639
that

445
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:38,720
they are not at liberty to say um and so

446
00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:41,759
that was you know it was very

447
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:44,160
he was very respectful of that and i

448
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:45,279
think the thing that

449
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:47,199
was interesting to me when we first got

450
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,720
all of this going is

451
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:50,720
the fact that he always said i like

452
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:53,759
travis travis is a nice man

453
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:56,959
you know this is uh and you can hear

454
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:59,920
in the conversation that he released

455
00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:00,959
that there was

456
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,959
that you know i mean travis immediately

457
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,559
knew who he was

458
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:07,039
unlike what travis had made a public

459
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:08,640
statement saying he knew not he didn't

460
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:09,199
know

461
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:12,720
the best look but

462
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,959
um but he they were very familiar with

463
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,079
each other and

464
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,959
and things and so that from there you

465
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,919
know we just

466
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,839
got information and he laid everything

467
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,679
out right scott i mean he had

468
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,280
a presentation that he showed us behind

469
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:27,839
the scenes of okay this is

470
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,600
what i learned here and you know you've

471
00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:31,520
got the background to his involvement

472
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:34,080
which he laid out the call with travis

473
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:37,200
um and and various things and then also

474
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:41,760
he had a 400 about a 400 page document

475
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,480
that was available from mufon and

476
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,640
interestingly enough barry greenwood

477
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:49,440
uh found the same document and so it is

478
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,400
it's the apro

479
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,559
investigation it is the different people

480
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,000
that were coming in

481
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:56,160
interviewing the witnesses it's all of

482
00:18:02,070 --> 00:17:59,200
the newspaper clippings from that time

483
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:02,080
and it really lays out a very

484
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:03,280
interesting

485
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,480
narrative to a story that over time has

486
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:08,160
been

487
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i believe and you know we don't know a

488
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,039
lot of the facts that that ryan laid out

489
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and i think with an important fact to me

490
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and then i'll turn this over to you

491
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,960
scott

492
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:22,720
but some some of the important things

493
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:25,919
were travis's family's reaction

494
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:28,559
to him being missing and something that

495
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,200
really

496
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,440
shocked me was the fact that his mother

497
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was trying to get the search called off

498
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,039
a day after her son went missing wow and

499
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:39,520
you know if i have i have a child if my

500
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,559
child went missing

501
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,360
i would not be calling off a search and

502
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then his brother coming out publicly and

503
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saying that oh

504
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,240
you know the ufos will you know bring

505
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him back and i'm not worried about

506
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,559
things

507
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i mean these aren't typical and normal

508
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,600
reactions

509
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from family members with a loved one

510
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missing

511
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and so that was a very big uh

512
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that that you know raised my

513
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,080
suspicions about things and i would love

514
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for people out there that are listening

515
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,679
you know i mean please explain that to

516
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:11,280
me what what are your thoughts how would

517
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:11,919
you

518
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:14,320
put that is that just kind of a normal

519
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:15,280
thing for most

520
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,360
human beings but scott i mean you have

521
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,880
you know you have other areas of

522
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:22,640
interest that you really that kind of

523
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:27,360
you know hooked on to yeah so the case

524
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,039
for me for years rested on the five guys

525
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,600
that didn't recant the story

526
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:35,760
so that kind of gave it a lot of

527
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:37,039
validity to me

528
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:40,880
because they had nothing to gain

529
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,440
travis was the one that put the book out

530
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:45,679
uh he was involved with the movie

531
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,880
mike ii to a lesser degree but

532
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,720
the the other five guys they didn't have

533
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,320
anything to gain

534
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,640
so i mean if it was a collaborative lie

535
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:55,440
between

536
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:58,559
seven people these guys up these five

537
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,520
guys were telling a lie for 45 years

538
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,360
though these other guys could tour the

539
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,200
convention circuit and

540
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,280
go on these interviews and i thought

541
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:09,600
that just doesn't make sense

542
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:13,679
so um now going back

543
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:17,440
through all of the records

544
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,480
the first person to discover

545
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:25,360
or i'm sorry to make a theory that the

546
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:26,480
five guys were

547
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:30,000
fooled by the other two was ray

548
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,440
fowler in 1976 and he went on to write a

549
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:35,039
bunch of books and

550
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,240
um he was a researcher as well

551
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,799
and he laid it out in a paper saying

552
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,320
that you know

553
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,240
these five guys could have been fooled

554
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,080
by the other two

555
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:48,400
and they would have never known it if it

556
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:49,280
would end

557
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,480
well and the sticking point

558
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,159
where they were stuck with trying to

559
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:56,159
figure it out was

560
00:21:03,350 --> 00:20:59,919
what was the ufo if they faked it

561
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:03,360
how did they fake the ufo so that kind

562
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,559
of got buried

563
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,880
in the files and nobody really looked at

564
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:07,840
it

565
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,720
and then i came across carl flock who

566
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,000
was a

567
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:15,039
cia i think intelligence officer but

568
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:19,039
he also had an interest in ufos um

569
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,960
and in the year 2000 he said the same

570
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:23,919
thing

571
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,480
that the five guys could have been

572
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:29,200
fooled by the other two

573
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,880
and so then i began to think about it

574
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,640
and i thought

575
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:37,440
well that changes everything because if

576
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:38,480
the

577
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,159
on it

578
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,240
it would have never worked because they

579
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,600
couldn't have held it together with

580
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,080
those five guys

581
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,640
the key to it was fooling them so when

582
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:56,840
they give their testimony to the

583
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,679
authorities whatever they had to do

584
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:02,000
that it was valid yeah they were all

585
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:02,960
scared

586
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:06,159
they saw something and the theory is

587
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:06,799
that

588
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,520
mike hyped him up in the truck you know

589
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,240
he got them all going crazy they peeled

590
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,000
off down the road they were

591
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:16,080
in the book you can see where they go

592
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,120
back

593
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,799
look for travis

594
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,799
and they were confused it goes on for

595
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,039
two pages where they were confused about

596
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,200
where it happened they had flashlights

597
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:29,520
they kept driving no it happened here no

598
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,559
it happened here

599
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:33,120
they were completely confused and then

600
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:34,000
mike

601
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:38,080
drove them to the so-called location

602
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:41,919
which in the theory is 4.9 miles

603
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,120
away from the tower right which would

604
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,640
make it

605
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:49,760
much easier for them when authorities

606
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:50,559
came in

607
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,159
to look for travis to say

608
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:55,919
well it can't be the tower because we

609
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:58,799
can't see it from this location

610
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:02,400
so it makes it so it was a very simple

611
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:03,200
yet

612
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:07,760
well-planned hoax and and again

613
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,960
it's still a theory yeah but all but all

614
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:12,640
the pieces fit together

615
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,799
so well so um

616
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,320
i mean it makes sense as well that the

617
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,400
five guys would have been duped

618
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,400
and they passed the lie detector test

619
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:24,159
because they genuinely believed

620
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,520
that what they'd seen was a ufo i mean

621
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,200
that hands up but then i think the

622
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,039
question would be how

623
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,080
mike and travis fared on the lie

624
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,600
detector tests

625
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,679
and you're able to explain about that a

626
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,200
little bit

627
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,799
well first of all let me say that it was

628
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,240
very interesting that

629
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,360
uh information was put forward about

630
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,039
what they were specifically asked on the

631
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,320
lie detector test

632
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,240
you know what none of it had to do with

633
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,360
have you it

634
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:54,320
was travis abducted by aliens right was

635
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,039
this was

636
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:58,000
dude do you have anything to do with his

637
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:58,880
disappearance

638
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,520
or murder and things and so i mean we go

639
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,520
back to the lie detectors but i mean

640
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,600
look at what they were being asked yeah

641
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,799
and i think that's a

642
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:09,600
key thing there and also you know travis

643
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:10,240
walton

644
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,240
did fail uh a lie detector test and so

645
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,440
and there were several interesting

646
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,279
things that took place around

647
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,679
that as well and i'm sure scott can go

648
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:21,919
into more detail

649
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:25,840
yeah the first test he was given

650
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,039
um was paid for by the national enquirer

651
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,159
and i think apra was in on it too which

652
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,240
was an investigative group

653
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:39,679
um and they covered it up and

654
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,600
anyone can find those documents where

655
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,159
there's other investigators questioning

656
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:48,559
saying you know why was it covered up

657
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:52,000
why did you do that um

658
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:56,080
and so uh you know the basis for that

659
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,799
would be

660
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,600
that the enquirer had the contest going

661
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,159
they wanted to sell papers

662
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,400
and so of course they're going to say

663
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,720
well if the public finds out about this

664
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,000
failed test

665
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,480
we can't print this because it's just

666
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,000
going to look ridiculous

667
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:15,679
so they covered it up um

668
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,720
later on down the road they they took

669
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,080
tests um and passed

670
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,279
and uh you know like erica said that

671
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,919
it was mostly about you know did you

672
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,240
cause any harm to travis

673
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,520
um and things like that so of course

674
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,679
you know they're gonna pass that because

675
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:37,520
they didn't do anything to him

676
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:41,120
sure wow and um

677
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:44,799
so yeah it it there if you go back to

678
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:47,840
the records and you compare everything

679
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,039
there are tons of holes and

680
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,760
discrepancies

681
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,720
and it's it's it's crazy when you

682
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,320
compare all that stuff

683
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,799
to see there's so much wrong with that

684
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,080
case

685
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:03,840
you know so if anybody is interested

686
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,120
um i have a lot of it and

687
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,919
um you know i can get more of it i can

688
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:11,120
send links

689
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,559
people can go there and look at it

690
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,159
themselves

691
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,360
that'd be really interesting if you've

692
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,799
got anything you think people would look

693
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,320
at please send them to me i can always

694
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,840
add them to the description

695
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,400
below as well another thing that i found

696
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,000
really intriguing is that this wasn't

697
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,760
the first time that travis walton had

698
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,120
been associated with

699
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,480
talking about ufos and aliens um can you

700
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,720
sort of give us a little piece about how

701
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,320
how that came about because i think that

702
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,840
really

703
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,520
you know it adds something it makes it

704
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,159
more intriguing

705
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,799
you know he was uh very fascinated and i

706
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,320
do believe that he had had

707
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,520
i mean he did have multiple alleged ufo

708
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,200
sightings and that was

709
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,960
that was pretty well known around that

710
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:52,720
very small community

711
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,159
yeah and things and so uh in fact

712
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,320
scott help me if i'm wrong on this but

713
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,240
the was it the sheriff that just said

714
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,880
he wouldn't be surprised if travis came

715
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,720
in one day and said oh i've

716
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:07,200
i've been chased by a ufo and things

717
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,400
like that and and so

718
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,640
it that was very interesting and then

719
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,080
you also have the fact that

720
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,799
um you know i mean they they had been

721
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,159
watching and been

722
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,240
interested in allegedly the betty and

723
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,520
barney hill case

724
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:22,000
which was front and center in the media

725
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:23,520
at that time

726
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:26,720
yeah yeah two weeks before

727
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,080
the alleged abduction was when the movie

728
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:32,960
world premiered on tv

729
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,880
and back then you know they admitted

730
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:38,159
that they saw it

731
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:42,000
mike said he saw part of it

732
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,520
and if you watch

733
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,000
there's an interview with travis from

734
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,240
january on joe rogan

735
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,279
yeah and he says specifically in the

736
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:53,919
interview

737
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,840
joe asks him were you aware of that case

738
00:28:01,110 --> 00:28:00,320
and travis is a little bit evasive about

739
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,120
it and he says

740
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,240
probably so you know

741
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,440
there there was like like erica said

742
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,080
people in town knew that they all had

743
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,880
these interests in ufos

744
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:15,039
and the sheriff he came and made that

745
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,240
statement um

746
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,240
another woman who wouldn't give her name

747
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,480
because she was a government employee

748
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,919
uh said that travis had come to her

749
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,480
uh earlier before the alleged abduction

750
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,240
and said that you know he was being

751
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,960
chased by a ufo

752
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,840
there's another document in there and i

753
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:34,880
think it's

754
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,080
apro or ground saucer watch

755
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,640
where it states that the brothers

756
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,240
between them

757
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:45,840
had 10 to 15 sightings of ufos

758
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,360
before this even happened right so

759
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,000
and mike has also come forward mike has

760
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,240
actually written a book

761
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,159
and i don't think he's published it yet

762
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,640
but he's put the cover on his page

763
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,679
about him and travis seeing a ufo i

764
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:04,000
think in 1971

765
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:08,640
four years before so you know

766
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,399
take it as you will yeah no absolutely

767
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:15,279
um and like i i've seen these videos

768
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:16,080
you've done and

769
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,360
where you've been speaking with ryan

770
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,440
gordon and and you know he he really

771
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,960
doesn't seem to be

772
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,640
pushing any agendas or anything he's

773
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,640
just a guy who's involved in this and

774
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,559
he's laying it all out i think hello you

775
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,279
know he's been attacked

776
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,760
hasn't he you guys have been yes called

777
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:33,039
out for doing this and i just think

778
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,399
that's shameful because

779
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,320
you know we need to have people look at

780
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,399
things like this because you know

781
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,760
yes people don't want to see their

782
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,000
heroes fall and things like that but

783
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,480
when it is a possibility of being a

784
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:46,799
complete lie and a hoax unfortunately

785
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,919
this has to be done you know um so

786
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,000
no i i commend you guys for your work

787
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,240
seriously i do you thank you um

788
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,480
that means a lot and i think that that

789
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,760
has been a real sh

790
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,120
i guess it shouldn't be surprising

791
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,960
because i've had you know dealings in

792
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:01,679
the past

793
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,200
with the ufo community uh

794
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,799
when i've tried to stand up and talk

795
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:08,640
about things but i think that it has

796
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,360
been

797
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,480
really sad to see the cult-like uh

798
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,399
beliefs of these people and it's almost

799
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,840
like you know if you go back and you

800
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,200
look at scientology

801
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,880
which interestingly enough you know a

802
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,279
couple people back in the 70s

803
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,880
were scientologists i don't know go

804
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:24,159
figure they're involved with the ufo

805
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,799
community

806
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:27,120
another story but you know so you've got

807
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,000
the way that

808
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,120
that specific uh religious uh

809
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:33,360
groups deal with people that speak out

810
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,320
against them

811
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,080
and you can see that you know again

812
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:38,000
we've got this case where it was it was

813
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,200
like

814
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,520
absolutely shocking to me that i had a

815
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,880
person that was listening from a

816
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:44,559
different country and was like wow thank

817
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,279
you

818
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,600
so much and this person posted the

819
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:49,360
interview on several different facebook

820
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,240
groups

821
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:53,279
and this person was bullied and

822
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,320
threatened

823
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,080
and was told to take these interviews

824
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,440
down and

825
00:31:01,190 --> 00:31:00,480
i mean it was just like what i mean this

826
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,200
is

827
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,200
you know are these you know what what's

828
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,480
behind this

829
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:07,120
are these people that are so willing to

830
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,679
uh

831
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:10,399
die on a cross for heroes that at the

832
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,279
end of the day

833
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,840
have a lot of issues with their stories

834
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,880
i mean is that

835
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,440
where they want to go and to me it just

836
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,360
proved again that it is just a big

837
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,720
social club

838
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,240
and another thing i just want to state

839
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,080
and i've said this on the show

840
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:26,240
when i started seeing this uh you know

841
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,360
rhetoric on

842
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,880
on facebook where they were they were

843
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,720
mounting these attacks and and social

844
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,519
media

845
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,679
i said to them and they were just like

846
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,440
well you know this person can

847
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,200
you know eff off and this person you

848
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,720
know blah blah blah blah i mean

849
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:41,200
really nasty personal attacks and i i

850
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,919
said to

851
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,399
some of them one of them whom is i like

852
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,919
and is a very prominent person in the

853
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,440
ufo world i just said

854
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,080
have you watched the interview and the

855
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:52,080
answer was no

856
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,760
you know and i just think okay

857
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:58,320
so go ahead and you know everybody make

858
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,880
uh

859
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:01,039
judgments based on whether you like

860
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,000
somebody

861
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,919
but you know then i guess at a deeper

862
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,000
level all of these people are

863
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,240
speaking at conferences together they're

864
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,240
all you know

865
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,720
in a bigger picture or potentially you

866
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:13,760
know

867
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:16,480
capitalizing on revenue streams from you

868
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:16,799
know

869
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,600
just from certain things and so it's

870
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,399
it's this is

871
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,559
it opened a hornet's nest but at the end

872
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,840
of the day that's

873
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,240
what i think scott and i that's what we

874
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,679
want to do because we believe the

875
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,840
subject is so important

876
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,519
that this thing that we need to be

877
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,679
critical and we need to lay this out

878
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,360
and people have to understand that they

879
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,679
have been manipulated and lied to

880
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,519
and it's not by the people that are

881
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,200
claiming that disclosure

882
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:43,760
is is here and that they have messages

883
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,590
that is really interesting isn't it i

884
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,600
mean let's move on from that let's talk

885
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:52,799
about other things because there are

886
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,600
more things

887
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,279
that we can talk about what are your

888
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,720
guys feelings on everything that's going

889
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:58,559
on right now in in

890
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,000
in regards to the government the ua ptf

891
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,679
the report or should i say the

892
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,360
preliminary assessment that came out

893
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,720
june 25th

894
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,320
where do you see it at at the moment

895
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,640
ufology and disclosure and things

896
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,640
um you know and where do you see it

897
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:14,640
going

898
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,480
erica i was not saying anything and i'm

899
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:20,640
like nope nope okay

900
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,919
um you know what i i think that the one

901
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,559
really

902
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:26,640
great thing about the new york times

903
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,200
article in 2017

904
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,919
was that it started to create an

905
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:32,720
awareness

906
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,760
in the world in the community uh and and

907
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,360
i had a lot of different people that

908
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,000
still come to me and i saw this report

909
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,159
you know these two navy pilots talking

910
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,519
about what took place

911
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:46,080
and so people that never even thought

912
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,120
about this

913
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,440
are now saying wait a minute and that

914
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:50,559
was a really

915
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,640
great thing and then you know you have

916
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,320
sort of the fallout from that where we

917
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,120
have promises that we will be getting

918
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,760
specific materials and that the keys to

919
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:03,440
the kingdom will be handed to us and

920
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,000
then

921
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,039
we're gonna pull it back again

922
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,040
and then oh no over here and then oh my

923
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,879
lord jeremy corbell is releasing the

924
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:12,800
mothership tomorrow and then

925
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,159
oh just kidding whoops you know and so

926
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,240
i think that that's been there's there's

927
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,359
it's like we take

928
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,560
100 steps forward and then

929
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,760
same group of people is taken 200 steps

930
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,639
back

931
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,159
and you have to ask yourself you know

932
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:29,839
what is the motivation

933
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,960
for that is there a political agenda uh

934
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,119
is there you know i mean what what sort

935
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,520
of agenda do these people have

936
00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:39,760
are they you know doing something with

937
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,320
you know louis elizondo i mean is this

938
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,879
counterintelligence

939
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,280
what are the games being played because

940
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,800
in my opinion

941
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,000
none of this seems above board and

942
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,639
and i will just also say my work with

943
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,320
skinwalker ranch

944
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,560
which again has been as has aged me

945
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,680
beyond belief

946
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,680
and somebody needs to start a botox fund

947
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,440
i keep telling scott i'm like

948
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:04,400
sweet baby joe i mean this is too much

949
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,119
for me

950
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:07,119
and you know counseling i don't whatever

951
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,160
but um

952
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,400
you know that that showed to me that you

953
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,960
could have a story that was created by

954
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,119
specific people that like to create

955
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,280
stories about the narrative

956
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,520
and then underneath the scenes you've

957
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,160
got the 22 million dollars that is going

958
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,079
towards the asap contract which is

959
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,480
advanced aerospace weapons testing

960
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,400
has nothing to do with ufos it has to do

961
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:30,480
with non-lethal weapons

962
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,760
and all of these things and and so

963
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,000
to me it's and then you've got people

964
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,440
that are going out there

965
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:40,240
you know making money on blogs and

966
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,280
different things

967
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,359
writing articles saying that oh no no

968
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:45,680
they were just using that as a cover

969
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,760
and it's like seriously i mean

970
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,599
i don't i mean so it's really amazing

971
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,520
but like i said i don't what we're being

972
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:55,839
presented with in that front is not

973
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:58,400
what it appears to be and i hope that it

974
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,440
sounds like looking at

975
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:02,640
the comments in in your chat that this

976
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,440
is really

977
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,880
awesome that you've got people that are

978
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,960
willing to step back and

979
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,240
look at a very questionable narrative

980
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,800
yeah yeah that's true yeah what about

981
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,440
you scott

982
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,800
how do you think things are playing out

983
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,040
at the moment since the kind of

984
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,320
let down of the 25th of june

985
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,480
report where do you think we'll go from

986
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,520
here

987
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:25,760
well first i want to say i agree with

988
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:29,440
erica that after 2017

989
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,200
it kind of a ton of people got involved

990
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,560
that were never

991
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,920
even interested in the subject which is

992
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,040
really cool

993
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,920
it's a whole new generation you know a

994
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,560
lot of

995
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,200
veteran researchers they're you know

996
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:46,560
kind of passing away

997
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,760
and they need a new generation

998
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,680
but they need a new generation that's

999
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:52,880
critical

1000
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:58,480
evidence with a microscope

1001
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,670
i've never trusted a word that the

1002
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,079
government says

1003
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:09,119
and we can we can leave this subject out

1004
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,079
completely

1005
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:13,119
and just look at the track record

1006
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:17,119
of our government and they have lied to

1007
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:17,839
the people

1008
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,720
over and over again about so many things

1009
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:22,880
and it's all documented

1010
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,480
and so something this important

1011
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,240
you know like they're gonna open up a

1012
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:30,240
door and say hey guess what you know we

1013
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:31,200
got all this

1014
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:34,880
stockpile of uh videos and pictures in

1015
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,280
here

1016
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:37,520
take a look at this that's not gonna

1017
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:38,480
happen

1018
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,720
now

1019
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,640
they've already talked about the photo

1020
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,960
that's rumored with the triangle coming

1021
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,160
up out of the ocean

1022
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:50,480
that's been talked about and it's you

1023
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,200
know been

1024
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,160
circulating for a while now some people

1025
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:56,320
claim to have seen it

1026
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,920
that's great let's see it yeah

1027
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,800
you know and then the other thing where

1028
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,160
lou was talking about

1029
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:07,440
the 23 minute video that

1030
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,520
he said he saw and you know it's crystal

1031
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,800
clear

1032
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:15,280
you can see the details you know let's

1033
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,079
see it

1034
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,440
yeah show it to us i mean

1035
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,760
i look at it this way down through the

1036
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:22,880
literature

1037
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,760
you can find cases where people pulled

1038
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,880
out their

1039
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:29,440
eight millimeter cameras back in the 70s

1040
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,160
and filmed

1041
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,560
something or they took clear shots of

1042
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,920
something

1043
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,320
and they were confiscated so if they

1044
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:38,400
were confiscated

1045
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,400
from a civilian how is that classified

1046
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:45,440
because that person shot it yeah so how

1047
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,000
can that be

1048
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,960
classified so let's just leave all the

1049
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,079
other stuff out

1050
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,839
how about all the stuff that they

1051
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,520
confiscated

1052
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,440
give it back to the public because it

1053
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,440
should be ours to look at

1054
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,880
absolutely i think i think there is a

1055
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,960
point though uh you know there

1056
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,880
we we could be i mean like you've got

1057
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:04,720
people that are going out to

1058
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,160
the edge of of dugway or area 51

1059
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,400
you know with things and i mean that's a

1060
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:12,320
special a lot of people and so they're

1061
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,800
going

1062
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:15,280
out there and they are filming things

1063
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,839
that are

1064
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,560
classified projects and that is a threat

1065
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:20,320
to our national security

1066
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:23,599
and so to me to have you know i mean i i

1067
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,240
would hope

1068
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:26,400
that our government would do its due

1069
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,440
diligence

1070
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,839
and make sure that that information

1071
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,720
isn't

1072
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,320
available to the public and i would

1073
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,079
understand that

1074
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,880
aspect of things and i have to say i

1075
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,320
wonder with the

1076
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,520
some of the videos that are being

1077
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,359
released from uh

1078
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,960
from team corbell if there wasn't a

1079
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:44,880
little bit of that maybe perhaps that is

1080
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:47,839
uh our technology or another adversary's

1081
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:50,480
technology and so there's some sort of

1082
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,240
something going on on there that yeah

1083
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,280
yeah and i would say you know i and

1084
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,599
and i'm not downing george knapp or

1085
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,000
jeremy corbell

1086
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,040
the enthusiasm is there yeah to

1087
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,240
to you know try to get at things

1088
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,800
and get it out there but what's been

1089
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,720
released so far to the public

1090
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:16,079
with footage and images

1091
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,599
is super unimpressive you know and

1092
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,440
and people are picking away at it you

1093
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:23,280
know trying to blow it up and

1094
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:26,960
you know try to examine it and and

1095
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,839
you know it's you know vinnie as well as

1096
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,640
i do

1097
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:33,760
that the government has

1098
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,280
the best visual imaging equipment

1099
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,720
in the world yeah and so if there's

1100
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,000
stuff out there that's

1101
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,359
swarming these ships or

1102
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:48,880
buzzing our air force jets

1103
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,079
you know that they have clear footage

1104
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:55,280
of whatever that is yeah absolutely

1105
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,440
and they have it and they know it and so

1106
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,440
you know i'm on the fence with all that

1107
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:03,839
stuff that george and jeremy released

1108
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:07,119
it's you know i know they're trying

1109
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,520
and and you know but like i said

1110
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,240
looking at hundreds of photos and

1111
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,920
hundreds of hours of footage over the

1112
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:17,200
years

1113
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,800
it's just not impressive it's not and

1114
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:23,440
you know not to bring up mick west's

1115
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,400
name or anything

1116
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,079
no no please do i was actually going to

1117
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,760
go that way with the conversation so

1118
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:28,240
please

1119
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,000
points about that footage

1120
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,359
and mix a smart guy he's not stupid

1121
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,960
he's a sharp guy what i will disagree

1122
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:41,920
about

1123
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,800
uh something with him is that he's super

1124
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,440
biased

1125
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:48,400
he won't entertain even the idea that

1126
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,359
there's something

1127
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,520
out there that we can't explain he

1128
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:53,200
doesn't even want to deal with that at

1129
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,319
all

1130
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,480
so it kind of reminds me of like a

1131
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,030
you're familiar with him right

1132
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,880
absolutely yeah so

1133
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,520
everything was fake there was nothing

1134
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,359
that can't be real

1135
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:10,000
that can't be another life form nobody's

1136
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:11,200
coming here

1137
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,119
you know i disagree with that and so

1138
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:18,160
you know i mean it is what it is and so

1139
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,440
what i just want to go say you know

1140
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:20,960
scott that we we get in these

1141
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:23,680
conversations and i i respect you you

1142
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,319
just are

1143
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:26,480
i love working with you you're so much i

1144
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,599
love it and

1145
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,240
and for me because i've had you know a

1146
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,760
lot of the skinwalker stuff

1147
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,640
and seen that narrative uh well there

1148
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:36,000
are a lot of problems with that one and

1149
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,119
somebody clearly

1150
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,480
george knapp kelleher uh created a book

1151
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:41,760
where they took

1152
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,280
the mythology of the the area they took

1153
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:48,160
uh reports from junior hicks they took

1154
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,040
all of this stuff

1155
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:51,760
and created a special place on the

1156
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,480
planet

1157
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,560
unlike any others where we've got all of

1158
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,359
these shape-shifting werewolves and

1159
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,040
proof blah blah blah blah blah blah

1160
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:01,040
portals opening up and strange creatures

1161
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,720
getting out all of this crap and

1162
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,560
that is the kind of stuff that george

1163
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,560
knapp has presented over his

1164
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,560
illustrious career and yet we've never

1165
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,240
seen any tangible evidence

1166
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,920
what we've had are people that are on

1167
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,240
bigelow's payroll come forward

1168
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,960
and promote a story without any actual

1169
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,920
evidence

1170
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:20,720
and to me i say that i think george

1171
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,040
knapp

1172
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:23,359
and jeremy corbell even though they have

1173
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,480
made a lot of money

1174
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:26,720
off of this i definitely think i would

1175
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:27,680
like to see

1176
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,960
yeah no there's me at my little soapbox

1177
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,880
but no that's that's great i love i'd

1178
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,520
love to hear

1179
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,880
all the opinions and you mentioned

1180
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:39,440
skinwalker and yeah i mean i was always

1181
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,760
a bit

1182
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,319
skeptical about the 20 years work that

1183
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,359
bigelow's

1184
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,599
teams did and stuff but then i'm i've

1185
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,040
been turned around a little bit

1186
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,920
by brandon fugle um and not just

1187
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,359
watching the tv show

1188
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,119
the secret skin walker ranch but just

1189
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:54,400
watching some of the interviews he's

1190
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,119
done and

1191
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,359
and the beliefs he has and and you know

1192
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,040
he's putting all of his own money into

1193
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,720
it they're not

1194
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,200
you know hoaxing or faking anything so

1195
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:04,640
what are your thoughts on that sort of

1196
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:06,839
aspect of it or is it still just

1197
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,750
and i i like brandon you know i i like

1198
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,200
brandon a lot in fact we're

1199
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,440
i have a dinner this week uh with

1200
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:28,480
brandon and

1201
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,760
a few other people um i use a very

1202
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,040
nice uh gregarious generous

1203
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,400
successful businessman who is a pillar

1204
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,160
in the community in utah

1205
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,000
and is also on the governor's economic

1206
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,760
advisory board and the covid

1207
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,560
advisory board interestingly enough and

1208
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,440
he has

1209
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,680
a lot of business dealings above and

1210
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:52,160
beyond his dealings in real estate

1211
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,920
yeah and so i think that um

1212
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:58,400
you know it it is an interesting idea

1213
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:58,960
that

1214
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,480
no money has been made from the ranch

1215
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:05,599
and and i i want to take that at face

1216
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,480
value

1217
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:09,359
um there is a tv show being made there

1218
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:10,000
is

1219
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,400
place that people are benefiting from

1220
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,319
uh in the area there are a lot of things

1221
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,319
going on that

1222
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,880
there could be outside revenue streams

1223
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,440
yeah

1224
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,560
above and away from from the ranch

1225
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,480
and so i definitely think those are

1226
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:27,920
things um

1227
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:30,720
to take into consideration but i would

1228
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,200
love

1229
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,560
to sit down and see

1230
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,960
the scientific evidence that they've

1231
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,680
have

1232
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,800
created or that they've captured um

1233
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,599
i know for me personally i went over to

1234
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,640
norway

1235
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,280
to stalin and i had the pleasure of for

1236
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,800
two weeks working and

1237
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,079
watching uh airling strand and some of

1238
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,680
the best researchers from

1239
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:56,960
uh germany from france from italy

1240
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,160
uh come together and they are they're

1241
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,560
coming up with groundbreaking equipment

1242
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,440
to actually

1243
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,920
study a place where they are

1244
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,880
experiencing

1245
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,800
very unusual things and they have been

1246
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,800
for almost 40 years

1247
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,280
that type of thing for me is where it's

1248
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,640
at and i want to just go on

1249
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,640
on record saying again i've said this a

1250
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,480
million times if you want to talk about

1251
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:21,200
the the most funded and studied place on

1252
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,079
the planet

1253
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,160
it isn't skinwalker ranch it's over in

1254
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:26,160
norway and those are people who are

1255
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,119
doing things and

1256
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,599
are not caring about tv shows these are

1257
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,440
people who are using science to push

1258
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,839
boundaries and to do what we all should

1259
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,800
be doing

1260
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,480
and i think it is unfortunate at the end

1261
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:37,839
of the day we get so caught up with all

1262
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,319
this

1263
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:40,079
nonsense here in the united states i

1264
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,920
mean bob lazar and you know yadda yadda

1265
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:46,160
bing bang and you know all of this crap

1266
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,359
that we don't look at

1267
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,200
we don't look where we should be looking

1268
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,280
and we got no we need to start

1269
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,880
i agree that's why i've recently started

1270
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,720
a second channel where me and

1271
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,440
my dutch friend max muskerwich we cover

1272
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,040
european cases

1273
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,599
only we interview witnesses and pilots

1274
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,560
and stuff so

1275
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,480
and that's just just only what a few

1276
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,319
episodes in but i really felt that that

1277
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,640
needed to be done because like you say

1278
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,800
we focus so much on the us and stuff

1279
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,839
like that and

1280
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:14,319
and i think the science part is is

1281
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:15,119
needed and

1282
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,400
i think we're going to start seeing it

1283
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,760
coming into play a bit more in this

1284
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,119
subject

1285
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,359
totally totally needed in my opinion

1286
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,319
that's awesome

1287
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:25,280
so um so go on scott what's that one

1288
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,000
called

1289
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,440
it's um

1290
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,160
it's on youtube yeah we've done um the

1291
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,400
first one we did was the 1979

1292
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,559
sosterberg case in holland which was a

1293
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:38,960
military base with 12 military witnesses

1294
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,359
of a

1295
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,720
huge black triangle so we interviewed um

1296
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,800
one of the guys that saw saw it that was

1297
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,760
there and

1298
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,839
and the base one of the base officers

1299
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,040
that didn't see it but

1300
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,200
he was involved in sort of the aftermath

1301
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,480
of it absolutely incredible case

1302
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,880
yeah it's a huge case and that's the

1303
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,400
thing these massive cases that are

1304
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,680
outside of the u.s

1305
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,280
just don't get heard about that often

1306
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,880
and they really they really should be

1307
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,680
looked at

1308
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,040
well then just know that you're going to

1309
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,280
be coming on our show oh i'd love to

1310
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,480
please

1311
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,800
anytime no my pleasure any time just say

1312
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,480
the word i'll be there so

1313
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,800
um i feel like i've kept you long enough

1314
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:16,240
guys i'm going to ask one last question

1315
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,359
to each of you

1316
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,680
and it's just a lighthearted one what is

1317
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:21,680
or are your favorite cases

1318
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:31,560
um you know i it would be something like

1319
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,839
[Music]

1320
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:34,319
um i

1321
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,000
i really like the uh the credibility

1322
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,160
behind the observer

1323
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,200
so it would be something like the david

1324
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,640
fravor case

1325
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:47,520
um you know they're trained they're

1326
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:48,319
they're

1327
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,000
out there they know what's up there yeah

1328
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,599
you know so um those cases are really

1329
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,760
valuable especially with the witness

1330
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,200
testimony

1331
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:02,079
um and then from there it's kind of a

1332
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:02,960
scaled down

1333
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:06,240
where you have maybe soldiers on the

1334
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,280
ground

1335
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,720
uh police officers and then of course

1336
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,880
at the bottom would be civilians because

1337
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:13,920
they mistake

1338
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,680
things and get things wrong um

1339
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,920
not really a favorite case but like i

1340
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,280
said i think the

1341
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:24,319
some of my favorite cases are the ones

1342
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,359
with

1343
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,920
military people involved that have come

1344
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:28,880
forward

1345
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:35,920
years after they left the military um

1346
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:39,520
you know like the the case with uh uh

1347
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,880
at malm uh malmstrom air force base

1348
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:47,359
yes robert salas and so that that case

1349
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,079
is just

1350
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:51,200
absolutely fascinating um i listen to

1351
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:51,680
him

1352
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:54,559
give his testimony at the the citizens

1353
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,359
hearing

1354
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:58,000
and uh you know that stuff is just

1355
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:58,960
fascinating

1356
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,319
and i think those are are much more

1357
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:05,040
valuable you know and don't get me wrong

1358
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,920
civilians

1359
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:08,160
you know sometimes there's some cases

1360
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:08,960
out there that are

1361
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,000
really wild that have been seen by

1362
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,640
you know your average joe may be caught

1363
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:16,160
on film

1364
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:19,839
but again the the the quality

1365
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,200
of the testimony behind the military

1366
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,400
is is really compelling to me

1367
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:29,119
yeah i completely agree yeah great great

1368
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,000
answers

1369
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,040
erica you know i i think for me

1370
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,119
and it's it's again i can't think of one

1371
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,280
i mean phoenix lights cases

1372
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,599
is interesting i'm not sure it is what

1373
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:40,800
everybody's saying it is

1374
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,400
on the other side um but i for me i love

1375
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,880
uh reading and studying about anomalous

1376
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,720
light phenomena and i look to

1377
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,599
there's a book uh by greg long examining

1378
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:52,720
the earth light theory

1379
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:56,240
that is is really um interesting and i

1380
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,640
love

1381
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:59,359
hearing about cases in the yakima area

1382
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,079
and people

1383
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:02,480
that were stationed at fire lookout

1384
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,359
towers

1385
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,839
that were having experiences with

1386
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,520
objects that seemed to

1387
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,240
to behave with an intelligence and so

1388
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,559
cases like that are very fascinating

1389
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:15,200
uh for me and and also you know you can

1390
00:51:18,430 --> 00:51:16,319
go to and just

1391
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,440
to say this you can go to the project

1392
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,920
heshtollen.org

1393
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,839
and you can look at some of the cases

1394
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,920
because they're putting their data out

1395
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,800
in real time and so you can go there and

1396
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,240
you can see the live

1397
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:31,440
uh cameras 24 hour cameras you can see

1398
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,640
the the pictures of uh structured or

1399
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,760
you know structured craft that could

1400
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:39,760
allegedly be something and you can also

1401
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,400
see

1402
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,160
the different research papers that have

1403
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,920
been written by

1404
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,400
again some of the brightest minds in the

1405
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:48,000
scientific community in europe and so

1406
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:48,400
that

1407
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,119
extremely interesting i want to i want

1408
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,880
to go and look at that right away

1409
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,559
if you could send me that i'd love to

1410
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,000
see that yeah

1411
00:52:02,870 --> 00:51:59,920
really i just want to say one more thing

1412
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,880
sure circling back to the travis walton

1413
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:04,319
thank you please yes

1414
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,000
so um i've

1415
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,240
it's kind of a challenge for anybody

1416
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,800
who's listening or who comes and watches

1417
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,630
find me a case where someone's been

1418
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,559
abducted

1419
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,559
taken away for a period of time it

1420
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,480
doesn't have to be five days it could be

1421
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,640
one day

1422
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,520
where a search party is put out for

1423
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:31,440
someone

1424
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:34,640
it's been documented by the police maybe

1425
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,640
in newspapers maybe by the news

1426
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:41,280
and if you find that information you

1427
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:42,480
know where to find me

1428
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,760
and send it to me that's my challenge

1429
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,400
nice

1430
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,559
i like that give the people something to

1431
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,839
do i like it

1432
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,680
thank you so much busy keeping that's

1433
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,359
what they need to

1434
00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:56,319
understand yeah that would be helpful

1435
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,839
they never know what else they might

1436
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,280
find

1437
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,680
but guys listen thank you so much you're

1438
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:05,440
both welcome to come back on any time

1439
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,800
you want i think we could

1440
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,240
i could like i said i could talk to you

1441
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:10,079
all day about these things but

1442
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,440
for now we'll leave it at that guys

1443
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:13,200
thank you so much if

1444
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,319
you want to hang around we'll just have

1445
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:16,240
a small debrief after the show that'd be

1446
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,040
great

1447
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,680
um so yeah thank you so much yeah thank

1448
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:21,440
you please teach me how to cut off a

1449
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,160
show

1450
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,280
yeah one hour i'm still i'm

1451
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:28,079
certainly far from a pro at that but um

1452
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:28,880
yeah

1453
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,079
so thank you pleasure hey listen

1454
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,240
the pleasure is all mine um so guys

1455
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:35,680
everyone that's been here in the chat as

1456
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,000
well

1457
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,680
sorry i didn't really get to read it in

1458
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,040
that i was just so involved in the

1459
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,559
awesome discussion

1460
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,720
um yeah and so thanks for everyone for

1461
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:44,000
watching everyone that will watch this

1462
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,880
after the fact

1463
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,319
thank you so much for the continued